Tulpa.info - metaphysics

Bless us ebola chan, spare us corona chan? (edgy memes D:) (edited)

Not very much to be honest but I was in the community for a short period of time before learning about tulpas.

5:40 PM

I don’t have a deep understanding of them so what I say might be completely incorrect, keep that in mind. Soulbonds seem to be alike from tulpas but they are meant to come from other worlds and such. You can intentionally welcome certain people (almost always fictional characters) into your system by calling to them (basically their form of forcing tbh) but you can also end up with temporary walk ins that are meant to just show up and visit then go back from wherever they came from. People who have this happen a lot call themselves gateway systems

Interesting, that's sort of how I attempted to create Marissa (as a sort of misunderstanding of what tulpas are)

Hey @Deleted User I have some thoughts on how you're saying you feel very "unconnected to reality" if I phrased that right

6:35 PM

Ah yeah looked it up, you said often 3/10 connected to reality

6:37 PM

So "spiritual seeking" is essentially about connecting to our sense of existence, that space of empty aliveness at our core

6:38 PM

But in order to strengthen that connection, sometimes the connection to reality has to be temporarily weakened

6:39 PM

"Integration" is when you're 10/10 connected to your sense of existence and 10/10 connected to reality but with no more suffering thoughts (edited)

6:41 PM

But in order to strengthen that connection, sometimes the connection to reality has to be temporarily weakened

This is why non-dual teachings often talk about life as being like a dream. A multisensory experience, except the content adheres to cause and effect

@Unfastened Belts I have a question for you, Zendaya

10:18 PM

What would you say is the basic goal behind this framework thing of yours?

10:19 PM

What are you seeking to do by adopting it?

10:19 PM

It was two questions but whatever

Zendaya or marissa?

Her pfp is zendaya

10:49 PM

The joke:

Orhu

What would you say is the basic goal behind this framework thing of yours?

Peace of mind. The absence of attitudinal discomfort

10:56 PM

Also its crazy how I dont like Zendaya at all in literally all of her pictures except that one shoot Ive been using for pfps. She really needs to stop wearing makeup and styling her hair (edited)

Unfastened Belts

Peace of mind. The absence of attitudinal discomfort

What an incredibly ambitious goal

11:02 PM

Only way I can reliably do that is by switching with someone who is less mentally distressed than me, so the brain and body feel better

The goal is to no longer hold it as a goal XP

11:03 PM

Nothing we can "do" to bring it about

11:03 PM

It'll happen in its own due time

Yeah it would take a lot for me.

Just a matter of the instrument receiving enough information

No it's a matter of somehow removing my high mood-sensitivity to pain

11:17 PM

Either that or the chronic pain I do have (edited)

How do you view your pain?

11:18 PM

Like if it was a person, who would it be

11:18 PM

I view my pain as loving me, but being really fuckin dense. It wants to show me what is hurting me so I can heal, but it has no clue when to shut the fuck up until I fix the issue

I have absolutely no inclination towards personifying my wrist and shoulder injury, covid lung damage and appearance related gender dysphoria

11:19 PM

They're not people, they're conditions of my physical body and mind

I didn't say they were people

A Gaggle of Giggles

Like if it was a person, who would it be

This was a request for me to try to personify them.

I was asking about your philosophy regarding pain in a simple way, but go off

I provided a response.

No it's a matter of somehow removing my high mood-sensitivity to pain

Hence why I always talk about the absence of attitudinal discomfort. Life will still be pleasant in some ways, painful in other ways

I'm not saying that I need to remove the pain itself, of course that's impossible

11:22 PM

But the perceptual experience of feeling pain just drags me down into unproductive miserableness

11:22 PM

And idk how to remove that from myself

11:24 PM

Apart from removing myself from the pilot seat of the mind-body interface

There was no one in the pilot seat in the first place, it just feels that way

The experience for which I used the metaphor of "pilot seat" refers to my own ego driving my body and faculties versus one of my tulpas doing it.

It feels like driving, but really the host/tulpa in the "pilot seat" consists of a narrative stream of thoughts

And how do I wilfully modify component parts of that stream?

You can't

Well then how do I achieve the goal you laid out

You can't. It's included in the description

11:29 PM

It will happen automatically, or it won't

11:29 PM

It happens automatically if enough information is received

Unfastened Belts

Peace of mind. The absence of attitudinal discomfort

What does achieving this do for you?

11:30 PM

More question time

11:30 PM

Fun

Orhu

What does achieving this do for you?

That description to me reads like 'absolute utopia'

Nothing more than it says on the tin. Circumstance will still be pleasant or painful, but without a thought narrative that I'm not good enough and life isn't good enough

It you could simply will yourself to always be content and satisfied, you want for nothing

What's the point in that?

11:31 PM

Being content is great and all but...

The only point is the absence of those thoughts. If the thoughts don't bother you, if you're content with being discontent, there's nothing to be gained

Don't you think having that constantly would be just as bad as not having it at all? (edited)

Pssht no

Why's that?

According to those who experience life without those thoughts, it's the jewel in the crown, the happiness that we're all looking for, that is theoretically available for anyone looking

Variety between states of suffering and bliss is not preferable to constant bliss just because it happens to be more interesting

Wouldn't it be kinda like drugs though

Nah. It's not about permanent bliss or emotional pleasure

You feel that high of bliss, but you eventually acclimate to it

Yeah exactly

11:33 PM

It's not about that

Gotcha

11:33 PM

Would it not extend onto peace of mind too, though

11:34 PM

I might be speaking more from my own perspective here, but having a little chaos in your head makes things more interesting overall

Yeah but when you're very vulnerable to emotional collapse from the experience of life-adversity, you develop a fear and hatred of it

What's a fear/hatred?

I might be speaking more from my own perspective here, but having a little chaos in your head makes things more interesting overall

If you feel that way, then yeah there's no motivation to seek peace of mind. Good for you honestly haha

Nothing you can't change with some help, no?

Orhu

What's a fear/hatred?

Of bad things happening, because they so reliably make you inconsolably distressed

Sounds like some unfounded expectations you got there

I've had glimpses of it, I've had people describing it as their permanent experience, so I can't help looking and obsessing

Marissa's framework would have a lot to say about that

Orhu

Sounds like some unfounded expectations you got there

Very well founded.

:P

11:37 PM

You ever hear of chaos theory?

11:37 PM

It's a really fun idea that personally I enjoy a lot.

I am the 'original host' and I basically can't front during painful medical procedures because if I do ill spend the night sobbing and screaming

Orhu did you read that chapter from Vivekananda's book I linked, curious what you'd think of it (edited)

Anyways

11:38 PM

No, I didn't

Gah, I'm getting into a bad headspace just talking here and it's clearly unproductive. Sorry

Sorry Alice :/

I dont have much time to read rn lol

11:40 PM

Anyways, I think that fears are kind of interesting. From the inside, they seem perfectly reasonable to have and appear to be well founded and based firmly in reality.

11:40 PM

But in reality, a lot of the time, that turns out not to be the case.

Fear is often a fear of risk, not outcome

11:43 PM

Risk is a probability factor

A surface level example of it is stuff like kids being afraid of the dark. From their perspective, the dark is terrifying. To them, there's monsters and murderers and creepy evil stuff everywhere in the dark and I think anyone, regardless of how old they are would be out of their minds to sleep in the dark if that were the reality of the situation. But to an adult, it's just the dark. There really isn't anything in there.

Alice

I am the 'original host' and I basically can't front during painful medical procedures because if I do ill spend the night sobbing and screaming

I feel that. Every time I see a needle I get super uncomfortable and the one time I was supposed to have surgery, I was in tears and backed out of it in the preop area cuz I was terrified about what I was going through with.

11:47 PM

But every time I get a shot, it's really not all that bad from immediately afterwards and I'd imagine that something similar would've been the case with the surgery I was supposed to have (cant say for sure though, it does involve getting sliced into) (edited)

I don't mind shots cuz they're short